Being Dutiful to Parents: Islamic knowledge, The Door to Eternal Paradise: Islamic knowledge. They lived in houses carved into the surface of the earth. But I digress. Indeed, we see in you foolishness and indeed, we think you are of the liars.Chapter 7, Verse 66, Have you come to us that we should worship Allah and leave what our fathers worshiped? Im also inclined to believe that these nine families were the direct descendents of those believers who escaped the land of the Aad with Hud. It was He who brought you into being from the earth and made you inhabit it, so ask forgiveness from Him, and turn back to Him: my Lord is near, and ready to answer." Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. Furthermore, there is also proof that they had some elements of true Islam in their faith. Of course there are lessons to be taken from the stories of these two nations. Mostafa Badawi, in his book Ancient Prophets of Arabiasays thatthe people ofThamdlived in the 8th century BCE in the al-Hijr region and were destroyed. Assalam alikum so is 89:9 present tense or past tense the altheana jabbu al sakrah bilwadi bit and you are saying that the thamud dwellings have gone destroyed after the prophets time, And Is madain al saleh wadi alQura or is wadi alqura some where else, And do you think there houses were destroyed before or after ibn kathir and could the land of thamud be petra ir yemon because there is a town called thamud in yemon, And does 27:52 mean there dwellings were destroyed or empty and could 89:9 mean there dwellings just of been caves in the prophets the outside gone fallen if you know what I mean and can. 12. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. Did the Prophet try to execute a man without proof? Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. The fact that these structures are still around today, after nearly 4000 years is a testament to their quality and design. A Reminder of the Story of `Ad and Thamd By Ibn Kathir - Fri 14 Muharram 1425 (5 Mar 2004) 0 5604 Explanation: means, they were arrogant, stubborn and disobedient. Amorites It doesnt speak about being touched or untouched. Thamd, in ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes known to be extant from the 8th century bce to the 5th century ce. Dealing with faith-related doubts in Islam. Verses 15:80-83describe its inhabitants as carving their homes out of mountains and being decimated by a loud shriek characteristics ascribed by the Quran elsewhere to the people of Thamud2. It had no written law, but the tribal leader played the role of ruler. You may look at any tafsir, these Ayaat are general and simply refer to destroyed civilisations which may be Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and Pompeii among many others. you who live in the clefts of the rocks[a] Also, the Prophet () did in fact mention the dwellings in a separate hadith. The exact time of their existence is nearly impossible to determine. But despite all of this advice, the Aad rejected their brother Hud. Among such nations were the 'Ad and the Thamud, the Amalekites and the Himyar after them, the Tubbas, and the other South Arabian rulers (Adhwa). Tribes originating in the Arabian Peninsula. But the buildings of the Aad are like Lego blocks compared to the Thamud. Chapter___ MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORI Chapter___ Human Embryonic Development __ Qur'an a Atowar Rahman Salafi _ Atowar Rahman Salafi | atow Suhih Bukhari_ Book of "End of the World". As also 'Ad and Thamud, and the Companions of the Rass, and many a generation between them. There is a place called Khyber at Pakistan/Afghanistan border but that is NOT the Khyber of Madina. The hadiths show that there were wells present in that particular spot attributed to the Thamud. 'Ad and Thamud are closely connected by both Islamic and pre-Islamic sources. [24] These tribes advanced in large numbers all the way to Morocco, contributing to a more extensive ethnic, genetic, cultural, and linguistic Arabization in the region. Now are they fully destroyed now over the 1400 years or are mixed with the newer nabataens, True but many people say when it says travel the land it is normally speaking about ad and thamud because they are the closest cant atharan mean just marks not marks left behind like 30:50 when it says effects it doesnt mean left behind effects because allah would mean left behind so what can atharan thanks for replying back all the time, Because even if these verses are saying thamud and AD it is saying there better than there houses but how can they if they were in advance state of decay because we cant see ad houses left so they had to be in advance stat of decay so if they were how could they be better then there houses because these verse would be more talking about ad more than thamud any hence in the verse they were mightier because ad called them selfs mightier, Arabic language has been heavily borrowed from by the Urdu language spoken widely in Pakistan and India. According to the Online Corpus of the Inscriptions of Ancient North Arabia (OCIANA) at the University of Oxford: Thamudic is a name invented by nineteenth-century scholars for large numbers of inscriptions in ANA alphabets which have not yet been properly studied. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. They were built not before the time of Musa ( ), but during the first century BC and the first century CE. When they came here, there would have been many buildings and they made their buildings alongside them and eventually, theirs outgrew the previous ones. But certainly, there is some potential that something like this may have happened. The second lesson is to watch out for the signs in our lives. In sum, missionaries and polemicists contrive an accusation against the Quran by obscuring, deliberately or not, the meaning of Thamud in the Quran and its relationship to the complex array of archaeological sites in Arabia. In Islamic prophetic history, the Prophet Salih (s) was sent to the first tribe of Thamud before the coming of Moses (s), since one of the believers warned Pharaoh about what happened to them. They were a little more inquisitive (at least at first). Anyway, whats really important is what led to their punishment. 4 Though you soar like the eagle And [We destroyed] 'Aad and Thamud and the companions of the well and many generations between them. [ Qur'an and Suhih Sunnah - Islamic Knowledge ]. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. A number of them branched out, which later became independent tribes (sub-tribes). The story of musa (muses) a.s. _ Magic and Illusi Suhih Muslim _ Book of "End of the World", Who is Musa a.s. (Moses) ? Are these tourist sites now identified at Madian Saleh the same as those we see discussed in the saheeh ahadith during the Tabuk expedition or is that a different location because these sites are identified as built by Nabataens and not Thamud and are considered much later than Thamud people (if we consider the finds to be absolutely authentic that these are Nabataens who built them. Seriously? However, while I agree that these two groups are certainly predecessors to modern Arabs, Im not convinced that Hud, Salih, Shuayb, and Ismail were actually Arabs.. The Aad werent about that. [28] As we know, he gave the nations some period until the determined day of punishment. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Quranic tribes of Aad and Thamud a historical perspective. Also there were no prophets between Isa AS and Muhammad SAW which is another issue to clarify. 89:9 is in past tense. Beni Hassan defeated both Berbers and Black Africans in the region, pushing them southwards to the Senegal river while the Arab tribes settled in Mauritania. I believe neither are in error. The Thamud are mentioned in contemporary Mesopotamian, Classical, and Arabian sources, including in inscriptions in a temple erected in the 160s for the god lh, by the Thamud themselves. after Isa (as), the period there were no prophets aynmore- how they could then deny their messenger? [14] The Thamd in question were Roman auxiliary troops, as the inscription states explicitly: For the well-being of the rulers of the whole world Marcus Aurelius Anthoninus and Lucius Aurelius Verus, who are the conquerors of the Armenians. Hence, they didnt engage in long, drawn out debates with Hud. To Aad was sent the prophet Hud; to Thamud, Saleh, and together with another mysterious figure, Shoaib, they constitute the only three pre-Islamic prophets mentioned in the Quran that have an exclusive Arab provenance. Hence, they had become very rich. After the given time was over, an earthquake shook the land violently and destroyed the people of Thamud in one cry. It must also be kept in mind that not all of the structures have been found as of yet. Though you build your nest as high as the eagles, What the Prophet () and the Sahaba went through during Tabuk was overall the joint place of Thamud and Nabateans and more specifically the exact well from where the she-camel drank. Now we come to the archeological matters concerning the Nabateans. So away with Thamud! Is Thamud mentioned in the Bible? According to the Greek historian, Diodorus Siculus, the Nabateans have a law neither to sow corn nor to plant any fruit-bearing plant, nor to use wine, nor to build a house. What the hidden 85 percent will reveal remains to be seen. This also makes it clear that the people were punished. Shaitan (Satan) made their deeds fair-seeming to them, and turned them away from the (Right) Path, though they were intelligent. [78] Their Messengers came to them with Clear Signs. They felt that their habitations would, somehow, secure them from destruction. This is attested by Safaitic inscriptions (beginning in the 1st century BCE) and the many Arabic personal names in Nabataean inscriptions. In my research, I did discover that the tombs do contain pre-Nabatean inscriptions. The means of God's destruction of Thamud include a thunderbolt, a storm, a shout, and an earthquake. There was a great influx of Arab tribes into Khuzestan from the 16th to the 19th century, including the migration of the Banu Ka'b and Banu Lam from the Arabian desert. So you must also monitor your life for the signs that youre receiving. The wordings themselves state so and all the tafaseer also state this. [30], In the 12th century, the Arab Ja'alin tribe migrated into Nubia and Sudan and formerly occupied the country on both banks of the Nile from Khartoum to Abu Hamad. 1995. International Dictionary of Historic Places. of 'Ad and Thamud by name. They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. See the video here (arabic): https://youtu.be/yjRjkjQ-VEA, Me however I lean towards that Madain Saleh is not the place for the Quranic Thamud like Dr Thiaeb (linguist of ancient arabic and archeologist) has been repeatedly saying at least since 1995, because among other reasons that Madain Saleh lacks all the marks of Gods wrath, the earth quake levelling Thamud etc. And as for Aad, they were destroyed by a screaming violent windstorm which Allah imposed on them for seven days and eight nights straight. The Thamud were the successors of the Aad. Hud was from among the Aad himself, as Allah mentions in the Quran: Aad denied the Messengers when their brother Hud said to them: Will you not fear Allah?Chapter 26, Verses 124 125. I hope the Christians, after having read this, will decide to do whats ethical and moral. Previous ones may have fallen and replaced by Nabateans but during the time of the Prophet (), there did remain buildings of Thamud and who knows, they might still be there today but undiscovered by archaeologists. Suppose if Nuh ( ) came 40,000 years ago or even 100,000 years ago and the few hundred or a few thousand people were destroyed by the flood, then it would not be difficult to believe that human population reached in millions, further subdividing into nations, communities, and tribes, after thousands of years. You built mansions on the plains and hewed the hills into houses[7:74]. Akkadians or, if he should, he can never take it, or take me from hence, conquer and subdue me. Numerous rock writings and pictures traditionally attributed to the Thamd have been found on Mount Athlab and throughout central Arabia; though labeled Thamdic, they actually reflect a diverse set of ancient Semitic dialects used by various Arabian tribes. According to Dr. Nehme, a senior research scientist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, the Nabateans have left us with almost no written material that would shed any light on their origins or even daily affairs. 4. I think some more research is needed to establish where the ruins are that are clearly mentioned in the Tabuk expedition hadith. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. The people led wealthy excessive lives, built grand buildings, both on the plains, and carved into the hills. It is possible that Edomites and or Thamud did carve out structures in the region, Nabateans, who came later, were inspired at some point during their history by the structures and proceeded to make a few of their own. The Rashaida of Sudan and Eritrea live in close proximity with the Beja people. Al-ijr, Saudi Arabia: ancient Thamd house, This article was most recently revised and updated by. They mainly settled in the Hauran region and spread to modern Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan. These people were very wealthy and wielded great power. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them And perhaps, over the generations, these people developed their own magnificent society with its own special hallmarks and characteristics. And this advancement led to a stratified society of haves and have nots. It sure is something to ponder over and come up with a hujja to explain. Does 22:45 say thamud castles and palaces are empty in the present tense with the well or is this verse talking about something else, 13. No, not at all. They were able to build great structures and buildings, They had children to carry on their progeny. Who can bring me down to the ground? Are Hadiths Anti-Semitic? As menitoned earlier, the Aad were a strong, brutish, and conquering people. These include Sunni Huwala and Achomi people, who compromise of both fully Arab and mixed Arab-Persian families. Firstly, Ashab al-Hijr seem to be Thamud (15:80-85) because although this is the only time they are called this name, commentators unanimously agree that they are Thamud. What the visitor sees there today are hewn hills; no mansions remain on the plain. Pickthall And (the tribes of) A'ad and Thamud! The word atharan or assar as loosely written in Urdu literally means effects or reactions or remnants left behind as an escape of a crime scene where clues or signs point to. They were often stronger than you in signs or athar left behind has been oft repeated. Their early inscriptions were in Aramaic, but gradually switched to Arabic, and since they had writing, it was they who made the first inscriptions in Arabic. Again the burden of proof is on us that this was the case. What timeline do you think thamud and AD and noah came because they would of have to be closed together and if noah nation was the first to commit shirk then they will have to of come 10 thousand bc because of the gobekli temple in Turkey because they commit shirk 9500 bc. That they were better than you in building these fallen down relics 2. Those people rejected their prophets and did not follow the correct way and Allah did destroy them. The Thamud ( Arabic: , romanized : amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation [1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. Change). It describes what they used to do i.e. Chaldeans formed when actual tribe of thamud perished so you are not correct . [17] The Muslim governor of Egypt encouraged the migration of tribes from the Arabian Peninsula to Egypt to increase the Muslim population in the region and to strengthen his regime by enlisting warrior tribesmen to his forces, encouraging them to bring their families and entire clans. Witch of these sound more like what the verse is meaning, 5. (41:13) 3) The tombs were in fact built by Thamud as houses and the Nabateans simply inscribed them later. Instead, they tried to engage Salih in debate. _ Story of Aad _tafseer. 3 The pride of your heart has deceived you, [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. Thank you for answering my questions thanks I just have 2 more questions then Im done then ill leave it jazzakkallah The account presented in Surah an-Naml also mentions nine evil people of Thamud who are immediately responsible for God's punishment of their people[Quran27:4851] in a narrative reminiscent of Jewish descriptions of the demise of Sodom. The people of Noah, when they denied the Messengers, We drowned them and made them a sign for people We have prepared for wrongdoers a painful punishment and Ad, Thamud, the companions of the well, and many generations between them. Khawiya seems to mean destroyed/overturned but the term could possibly mean ruined too. 7. The tribe refused to heed him, saying that Salih was merely a mortal, and demanded a sign from God. The structures were not built by the Thamud but by the Nabateans. And you said the nabteons built over them so if they built over them all then how could the prophet see them or the quran describe them when they were built over by them and by the time the prophet came because the nabateans came before jazzakkallah, But these are the last 5 questions and thats it sorry to keep bothering you it is that Im getting all the information I can so if Im ever questioned then I can answer them jazzakkallah, Sorry just 2 more but thats it most of these questions are yes or no (3). The above article contained links to images which do not show up in here after I copied and pasted them from my ms word. The pagan Arabs were acquainted with their existence but nothing more is known about them. Furthermore, their prophets, Hud and Salih, are often considered two fo the four Arab prophets that Allah sent to mankind. 1. [25], Some Islamic sources claim that the Banu Thaqif tribe, an Arab tribe from Ta'if in the period of Muhammad, was descended from a survivor of the Thamud (sometimes a slave of Salih). Yes both Ad and thamud left dwelling places as opposed to some other Nations mentioned in the Quran but again the reference is generic to many other Nations not mentioned in the book that came to other parts of the world etc. [27:49]. I guess it can be said that the Nabataeans can be considered one of the nations succeeding the people of Thamud. And when you strike, you strike as tyrants.Chapter 26, Verse 130. The Thamd are infrequently mentioned in contemporary indigenous Arabian sources, although two Safaitic inscriptions carved some time between the first century BCE and the fourth century CE refer to "the year of the war between Gm and the tribe of Thamd [snt rb gm l md]". And We gave them Our signs, but from them they were turning away. Missionaries and polemicists seize upon the error of this folklore as an alleged example of the error of the Quran, but in reality, this is not the case. [27], This article is about the ancient Arabian tribe. Q.28:58 is general: And how many a city have We destroyed that was insolent in its [way of] living, and those are their dwellings which have not been inhabited after them except briefly. Instead, the camel is killed by a certain "accursed Amar", and the camel's foal stands upon a rock and curses Thamud, leading to the tribe's annihilation except for a single lame woman who is spared to spread the message of the destruction. The same can be said about 7:84 where Allah SWT is telling us to SEE the end of Sodom and Gomorrah. The tribes of Ad and Thamud were ancient people who existed on the Arabian Peninsula many centuries ago and were recipients of the Prophets Hud and Salih, respectively. Now imagine if people arrive from Latin America, find Mount Rushmore, and make a few inscriptions on it. . Some of these questions were sincere, but most of the time they were just trying to trip him up. Not only did they reject them, they mocked, ridiculed, and in the case of Salih (AS) they even tried to kill him. And indeed (their destruction) is clearly apparent to you from their (ruined) dwellings. It becomes rather implausible that a people who a had a law against building a house, would then start constructing breathtakingly massive structures from the rocks of the mountains themselves. Having similar names doesnt mean much If we remember that Ismails mother (Hajjar) was an Egyptian, or Coptic, slave, and his father Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was Babylonian, then its obvious that he couldnt also be Arab. (2/380-381), The inscriptions of al-Hijr are the remnants of the Nabateans. Certainly many of these ancient civilizations were advanced for their times and certainly more advanced than the Arabs as they had very little structures and civilization development and they were tribal societies and not big cities. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Banu. According to the Quran, they were hit by a blast that destroyed them. This generally means that despite very weak appearance now they one were very well established from the remanats. Theyre mentioned in 25:38 and 50:12. you who live in the clefts of the rocks, Or symbolic its talking about the left more of a legacy in there story. Is al ula walid al qura As their material wealth increased so, too, did their evil ways while their virtue decreased. We have to be open to the idea that a person living thousands of years ago will have a different concept of a place of dwelling than we, in the 21st century, do. Thamud were destroyed - _ taf . But the Thamud were more nuanced in their rejection. Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. In fact, we even know the scripts they used! Look, it doesnt matter if you warn us or dont warn us, were not going to listen to you. Have not read their own bibles. If anyone has evidence of at least one dead body having been found in the recesses, Im open to change my mind. Regardless, the thamud tribes structures remained for people to see according to Quran. Aad are mentioned as another Arabian tribe destroyed by God for rejecting their Prophet Hud. The story of Miraj- Isra _ Suhih al Bukhari, Can you brush your teeth in Ramadan? Is their carved construction still there today? The Ghassanids increased the Semitic presence in the then Hellenized Syria, the majority of Semites were Aramaic peoples. This is what the Sovereign LORD says about Edom The Arabs then could see Thamud dwellings but we today cannot. His people came after Ad, and they were known as Thamud. After several centuries of independent existence, it was finally incorporated into the Roman empire in 106 AD. As for option 2, we know next to nothing about the Thamud. This individual was probably a merchant or official in service of the Babylonian court. 62-63]. Ignore the entire thing and continue to spread their deception and lies. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. 13. Source: Sahih Muslim 2981, Grade: Sahih, . [16] It is possible that the Thamud were not one tribe, and that other tribes took on the name of Thamd after the original tribe by that name had gone extinct. [4] Historian Israel Eph'al questions the plausibility of Sargon's account, as the briefness of Sargon's account seems to be at odds with the fact that such a campaign deep into Arabia would have been one of the longest wars in Assyrian history, and because no mention of plunder is provided. 10.can al hijr be somewhere else like al ula Some people think petra was thamud do you think so jazzakkallah, But the main question for me is the first one number 1 the rest are just side questions but number 1 is the main one for me what I would like a detailed response the rest are more of yes or no qustions jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you, But I do agree with your article its just getting more information thats all jazzakkallah so I know how to answer this question jazzakkallah, This is part of qustion 4 do you think 27:52 is talking about there dwellings in the mountions or on the plains or both and does 27:52 mean there dwellings collapsed fallen because if yes 89:9 makes it sound like it is standing that there are more of the buildings showing then just partially but more showing of the buildings so how do we explain this jazzakkallah, Sorry for them being spaced out just put them together but 8. also if there buildings were very big there had to be more left of the buildings remains in the time of the prophet then just partially shouldnt there or not because if they were big there should of been more left or not do you think jazzakkallah how would we explain this jazzakkallah but like I said question 1 is the main one, 9. 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